I found that I didn't know how to tell the civilian world kind of what I did and who I was and so. I had a bunch of people saying wow you're. You were in the FBI. You speak Russian. You have an MBA like. What company won't snatch. You up and interestingly no company was snatching me up and it was. Because I didn't really know how to share with companies who I was and what I brought to the table and I also didn't know how to explain kind of my purpose and the reason. I exist on this earth and how. I execute against. That in in life and so. I didn't know. I should be looking I didn't know the job titles.
I should be looking for I didn't know how to reach out to people properly my networking attempts were poor at best and it was a lot of like here's a resume. What do now and I had. More questions. I had ancestors and so my first job out of the bureau. I got really lucky. It was a friend of a friend and I asked a bunch of questions and I just happened to ask kind of the right questions of the right well and I had a good friend who was also mentoring me in how to find a job and so. He was helping me understand a little better. How to have the right conversation so. I ended up at McChrystal group which was amazing I worked for general McChrystal for two years and then.
I went through the same thing again. I had to get off the road I'd been on the road for two years. I was exhausted and my family kind of didn't know who I was and so again. I had to find a job and I wasn't looking for another job in consulting because that's exactly. Where I'd burned out before so. I was back in the same position. I didn't have. Any idea how to find a job and I had. Someone say to me well. You used to be an FBI agent. You know how to do interviews go do a bunch of informational interviews and I was like okay. That makes sense. I have to talk to a bunch of people and ask a bunch of questions to learn about the job market but where do. I find those people and how do. I get people to talk to me and so. I I was on someone's website. I saw a vanity like. All right click see. What see what I find and it was like. I found this like magical like golden pot at the end of the rainbow like. It just was exactly. What I needed. Because what I had in federally were a bunch of mentors who were willing to have conversations with. Me and answer my questions and help. Me find my path and so. You know that's that's how.
They Ana and I first became acquainted. Because I was considering starting my own business and she's CEO and she was available for a mentorship conversation so. I was like well. Another CEO is available her conversation. I can ask her about starting my own business so. We booked a call which was crazy helpful and I just started talking to mentors along the way. One mentor that I spoke to that was. One of the most powerful conversations. I had was another military spouse and her profile said asked. Me about you know changing you jobs but like. I forget exactly. What it was. Something might ask. Me about changing jobs frequently or maintaining your identity as. You jobs frequently and I was really struggling with.
That's because. I felt like. I was a little broken um. I was changing jobs. Because I wanted to it wasn't. You know the military relocating me it was. You know jeans decided. She wants something new and different and what's broken about me. That I can't find the right place. I tell people. This conversation and so. I got on the phone with Jen and what she said to me was super powerful. She said you know gene um it's not. That you you're you're different every. Few years or you've changed a lot. She said you know. You have been the same person. All along so. You you were a person with a special agent title. You are a person with consultant title but who you are has been consistent so figure out who. That is and when. You figure out.
What that is then you'll figure out. How to kind of label yourself so. That others can attach and understand. What you bring to the table. That gave me the freedom to not be tied up in titles and to not be stuck in that space. I thought that I had to be. Something right for people. I started explaining to people my purpose which is helping people. When hardship stops causing growth and starts causing suffering I do. That by making powerful connections and so. I was able to show. That in the FBI. I built task forces for officers. You know dealing with gangs for officers dealing with organized crime. That working for general McChrystal for businesses helping build cross-functional teams and all of a sudden. It makes sense of who I am and then. I was able to go on the phone with other mentors and say okay I'm think about starting a business is this good idea bad idea. What do I need to do. I need to do. This and so in that we started a coaching program a higher served. I started the business and our coaching program starts with.
That concept of purpose right who are. You at the core and then the very first thing we do is send. Everybody else better ah tea we're like okay cool. You know how to say. What your purpose is now get on the phone with people on federally and ask them what that job is in the private sector so. One of our biggest challenges is we don't know what jobs are called and so. I did exactly. That I went out and said hey. I know that this is what I'm good at I'm super good at connecting people. I like to work with people who are kind of in a place.
Where they're really struggling and someone was like well. One place you can connect people who are struggling is in the job search being a headhunter and I was like oh. That makes sense right so that's kind of the birth of of higher served and how better Otte was part of it then and now. We continue to push people to vote arathi. All the time. Because it gives. You a chance to talk to all these different people so. We tell people. You know scheduled with an HR manager scheduled with. Somebody the company you're interested in scheduled with. Somebody who's done. Some of the things you've done and just get on the phone and start asking a bunch of questions the big piece of advice.
Everyone is get on the phone ask a question and shut up so like just ask and ask and just like listen and write and then the magical things. I always say and this is from years of interviewing people at the end of your call. You want to ask is there. Anything I have. You know that I have not asked. That I should have. Because people might have like. Some magical pearl they're dying to share with. You and also who else should. I be talking to so frequently a mentor will be like oh. You know who else. You should talk to you start to so-and-so and there's an ability within the veterano platform for mentors to do. That to naturally say who someone should talk to but it's a great opportunity for you to also do.
That so then along the way. I became a mentor. Because I asked Diana. I said finally like I've gotten so much out of federally and out of these calls. I give back and she's like well become a mentor and I'm like well. I don't think I'm qualified so lesson from. That is you are qualified. You have any life experience. That you can share with. Another spouse who's in transition with a veteran who's in transition you're officially qualified. Because you have. Some knowledge of you know what that is like and so. Now do men chuckles as a mentor. You do a ton of mentorship calls to as a mentor. I just sent out to the group your specific link mentor link so. They can get in touch with. You definitely well. You know Jean it's so so incredible well can. You talk about some of your highlights of being a mentor on the other side and the conversations. You have with. Some of your favorite mentees and how those have gone.
Because it is it's really great. We have a lot of users on our platform there of. Both mentees and mentors and we get. This question. All the time can. I be in messy and a mentor like yeah. I mean we're. All forever constantly growing and I have my own mentors I've like 50 mentors right but it's the same thing like I've taught my mentees and mentors. You every my teas and mentors and I'd love to hear. Some of like your experiences with your mentees yeah so. I have the joy of because I'm in this career space a-and. Because we actually have a coaching program stepping in a better Adi is actually a chance for me to kind of let the coach II and the veteran team in ta guide. What they need in that moment versus a more prescriptive like. You know this is kind of how. You know what we need start with and how. We need to do.
This call so. I always started just by asking you know what is it. That you need. What what are. You looking for today. What if the success look like. You know you walk away with. What does that mean. This wasn't worth your time and it's really interesting because. I have people in every phase right. We have some mentees who show up and they're just on it they're like okay ma'am. This is my profile. This is my target. This is a companies I'm looking for this in and you're like wow you've done work around. This and those I get to kind of sounds like putting icing on the cake with those people right. You get to kind of top. That off and be like switch. This change. This do this a little. This way and then three weeks later. They call him they're like. I got a job and you're like. That was coming clearly.
You were gonna get a job and then. You have people who are really lost and they're like. I am leaving the service in the next couple months and I know. I have to start doing something around jobs and you're like okay cool let's let's dive in with purpose which is always. I start it's just the most important part of a job search so I've had. These interesting opportunities to really understand the lifecycle. I think the most powerful thing for me to be honest is is seeing people I'm gonna get emotional DM um seeing those who like. Me are lost and they don't know how to say. What they did. They don't know how to share with the world. What their worth and so there's this identity crisis. That we all are going through and when you're able to help. Someone articulate in civilian terms. What that actually looks like. What it means and they're able to walk away feeling like. They have something to offer the world still. You know it's when. We have on our capes we're saving the world that's super easy. I know how to say.
What I'm worth but when. You take that tape off and suddenly you're transitioning that's hard and losing your identity. You walk away from a job is not. Something civilians face usually. Some of them do. I don't want to like downplay but for us our community our tribe is so powerful. We walk away from. It we are walking away from a piece of identity so to be able to help people kind of put their finger on who have. You always been who will. You continue to be and how might. That look in the future and in the private sector easily the most powerful thing I do as a mentor it's so incredible. It well let's actually. You know what we can do is go into a couple of the questions. That were coming out from the chat already and we can kind of give our perspectives on the responses so. I know that yeah so Liz was asking suggestions for sustaining a mentoring relationship I'm thinking of how. I would respond to that do.
You have an idea close. You want to start first. You want to start. You know I think the most important thing in sustaining a mentor relationship is executing on what they told. I really don't. I don't have spare time in my life but I make time for my vet arathi mentorship it's always on my calendar. It is important but if. I like spend an hour of my day with. You I've poured myself into. You and all of our mentors are like. That that's not unique to me I just know that's how. I think and so. Somebody comes back to me and they're like hey. I didn't do. Any of the things. You said to do and I still have the same problem can. Another hour no. You can't actually have. Any more of my time. Because my advice hasn't changed but if. You go and you execute I've had. Some mentees be really awesome and they'll like execute and they'll. Even send me an email. That says okay. You said to do. This I did boom boom a boom did. It I did it about these are the results. This is what I got can. Another call and I'm literally like.
When can we talk. Because yeah um that's exciting right so as a mentee take action give feedback. That will create a relationship not just a one-way communication. It the only thing I would add to that is is follow. It like you follow up like the progress reports are actually really awesome like your mentor is doing this. Because they want to see. You succeed so. You share small things like I'm very uh. This is one of my weak points. I don't like sharing things with my mentors. Unless they're like a huge win otherwise I'm like no there's no point in telling them anything until there's a huge win not true like the little wins really matter. Because your mentor really like the only reward. They get out of this is see. You win and so. They want to see. That happen and when. You loop them in they get. More excited the other thing I would say about follow ups is I found. That in mentoring conversations a lot of mentors will say things like oh. I would introduce. You to this person and this person in this person and like Jean said mentors are super busy so it's not. That they're flaking out. They don't make. That introduction it's just. They need you to make. It very easy for them to take action so. Someone like. I would say. Any conversation. You have especially during the job search process. You meet someone they get excited about you and they say hey. I want to help. You I'm gonna introduce.
You to these people follow up immediately afterwards with an email. That just says hey I'm so happy. You offer to introduce. Me to these these five people here's an email. That you can forward to them to introduce. Me to them right Lee is so insanely easy. If your mentors to execute otherwise it's around things like. I upgrade an instruction email and it's gonna take. Me 30 minutes and I'll just do. It next Friday and then. It never happens right yeah yeah yeah. I know that's huge. If you're gonna. If you're getting an introduction from. Someone that's awesome to give them what to send the other thing about that is you get to write. That narrative so maybe your mentor doesn't remember. Everything about the conversation but if. You write that narrative and give it to them and say hey. This is a suggested paragraph. That might help right. They don't have to use. It yeah but like I'm gonna copy and paste. That thing I'm not gonna be creative. I don't have to be yeah that's awesome exactly so the other one I've noticed Anna was asking about how to seek military spouse employment challenge Mentors.
That one's fairly easy just. You log into the maratti there's a badge. That says military spouse. You click on that filter. It will filter out every single military spouse on our platform for you to book as a mentor so. That fairly self-explanatory and a couple other things so. I think Stacy was saying looking for guidance on how to build your brand and possibly start your own business very exciting Jean. You can definitely speak to that that's what exactly. You did and that's what you do yeah yeah yeah. I mean so a couple of just resources there's actually a really great book by Anita Citroen it's called your next mission it's for the service member but I loved. It it's personal branding as you're leaving the service so it's a personal branding guide at its base and personal branding is huge it's a really cool workbook to work through so massively like recommend. That and then really figure out who you are who is it you want to put out there and then begin having conversations with people. You can have a ton of conversations with entrepreneur mentors on better Adi so. It may be that you get on the phone with. Another you know business owner or someone who has said. I want to talk about entrepreneurship and you say listen.
This is my idea. This is what I'm thinking this is the brand. That I want to build. What are your thoughts. What is your feedback um. One thing I would say always have. Some specific questions for your mentor there there have been a couple awkward mentee conversations. Where they're like well so I'm here and I'm like oh cool. What are you here for so so think about looking at the mentee or the mentor and saying what can. This person really share with. Me what do they do well and so. One question might be for example to me Stacy. You might hey Jean I've noticed. That you've managed to get on a lot of podcasts a lot of people have invited. You on to the show. How did that and how do. You keep your brand consistent across podcasts interviews right so that'd be great question ask. Me and then. We would talk forever. Because I never shut up and so. You just want to think about what are the elements. You need help on and then it's almost like. You get to crowdsource. That you get to go out to these people who've been successful always understand. That every mentor has their point of view and so not.
Everything that works for everyone is gonna be perfect for you Diana and I had. This conversation. I was first her mentee and I literally said to her I love. That advice I'm not gonna follow. It at all I appreciate. It and and that honesty. I think she kind of respected the fact. That it was like okay um two weeks later. I called her and I was like. You were right I'm listening to you but but just keep in mind. That you're going this is your opportunity to glean information from. Everyone so. I would say Stacy start booking with entrepreneur mentors and with other successful CEOs who've made a business and book with Diana for sure. Because she's got her act together on that ha ha ha that's so that's really great and also. I think you the question around like. You start a conversation. You don't know. Where you're headed it's like reading a book great mentors are like folks except for a live conversation version so reading a book and so. I always like asking even. Where I'm taking the conversation as a mentee or a mentor for someone's life story. Because there's so much that's not on their profile and if. You start here.
I should be looking for I didn't know how to reach out to people properly my networking attempts were poor at best and it was a lot of like here's a resume. What do now and I had. More questions. I had ancestors and so my first job out of the bureau. I got really lucky. It was a friend of a friend and I asked a bunch of questions and I just happened to ask kind of the right questions of the right well and I had a good friend who was also mentoring me in how to find a job and so. He was helping me understand a little better. How to have the right conversation so. I ended up at McChrystal group which was amazing I worked for general McChrystal for two years and then.
I went through the same thing again. I had to get off the road I'd been on the road for two years. I was exhausted and my family kind of didn't know who I was and so again. I had to find a job and I wasn't looking for another job in consulting because that's exactly. Where I'd burned out before so. I was back in the same position. I didn't have. Any idea how to find a job and I had. Someone say to me well. You used to be an FBI agent. You know how to do interviews go do a bunch of informational interviews and I was like okay. That makes sense. I have to talk to a bunch of people and ask a bunch of questions to learn about the job market but where do. I find those people and how do. I get people to talk to me and so. I I was on someone's website. I saw a vanity like. All right click see. What see what I find and it was like. I found this like magical like golden pot at the end of the rainbow like. It just was exactly. What I needed. Because what I had in federally were a bunch of mentors who were willing to have conversations with. Me and answer my questions and help. Me find my path and so. You know that's that's how.
They Ana and I first became acquainted. Because I was considering starting my own business and she's CEO and she was available for a mentorship conversation so. I was like well. Another CEO is available her conversation. I can ask her about starting my own business so. We booked a call which was crazy helpful and I just started talking to mentors along the way. One mentor that I spoke to that was. One of the most powerful conversations. I had was another military spouse and her profile said asked. Me about you know changing you jobs but like. I forget exactly. What it was. Something might ask. Me about changing jobs frequently or maintaining your identity as. You jobs frequently and I was really struggling with.
That's because. I felt like. I was a little broken um. I was changing jobs. Because I wanted to it wasn't. You know the military relocating me it was. You know jeans decided. She wants something new and different and what's broken about me. That I can't find the right place. I tell people. This conversation and so. I got on the phone with Jen and what she said to me was super powerful. She said you know gene um it's not. That you you're you're different every. Few years or you've changed a lot. She said you know. You have been the same person. All along so. You you were a person with a special agent title. You are a person with consultant title but who you are has been consistent so figure out who. That is and when. You figure out.
What that is then you'll figure out. How to kind of label yourself so. That others can attach and understand. What you bring to the table. That gave me the freedom to not be tied up in titles and to not be stuck in that space. I thought that I had to be. Something right for people. I started explaining to people my purpose which is helping people. When hardship stops causing growth and starts causing suffering I do. That by making powerful connections and so. I was able to show. That in the FBI. I built task forces for officers. You know dealing with gangs for officers dealing with organized crime. That working for general McChrystal for businesses helping build cross-functional teams and all of a sudden. It makes sense of who I am and then. I was able to go on the phone with other mentors and say okay I'm think about starting a business is this good idea bad idea. What do I need to do. I need to do. This and so in that we started a coaching program a higher served. I started the business and our coaching program starts with.
That concept of purpose right who are. You at the core and then the very first thing we do is send. Everybody else better ah tea we're like okay cool. You know how to say. What your purpose is now get on the phone with people on federally and ask them what that job is in the private sector so. One of our biggest challenges is we don't know what jobs are called and so. I did exactly. That I went out and said hey. I know that this is what I'm good at I'm super good at connecting people. I like to work with people who are kind of in a place.
Where they're really struggling and someone was like well. One place you can connect people who are struggling is in the job search being a headhunter and I was like oh. That makes sense right so that's kind of the birth of of higher served and how better Otte was part of it then and now. We continue to push people to vote arathi. All the time. Because it gives. You a chance to talk to all these different people so. We tell people. You know scheduled with an HR manager scheduled with. Somebody the company you're interested in scheduled with. Somebody who's done. Some of the things you've done and just get on the phone and start asking a bunch of questions the big piece of advice.
Everyone is get on the phone ask a question and shut up so like just ask and ask and just like listen and write and then the magical things. I always say and this is from years of interviewing people at the end of your call. You want to ask is there. Anything I have. You know that I have not asked. That I should have. Because people might have like. Some magical pearl they're dying to share with. You and also who else should. I be talking to so frequently a mentor will be like oh. You know who else. You should talk to you start to so-and-so and there's an ability within the veterano platform for mentors to do. That to naturally say who someone should talk to but it's a great opportunity for you to also do.
That so then along the way. I became a mentor. Because I asked Diana. I said finally like I've gotten so much out of federally and out of these calls. I give back and she's like well become a mentor and I'm like well. I don't think I'm qualified so lesson from. That is you are qualified. You have any life experience. That you can share with. Another spouse who's in transition with a veteran who's in transition you're officially qualified. Because you have. Some knowledge of you know what that is like and so. Now do men chuckles as a mentor. You do a ton of mentorship calls to as a mentor. I just sent out to the group your specific link mentor link so. They can get in touch with. You definitely well. You know Jean it's so so incredible well can. You talk about some of your highlights of being a mentor on the other side and the conversations. You have with. Some of your favorite mentees and how those have gone.
Because it is it's really great. We have a lot of users on our platform there of. Both mentees and mentors and we get. This question. All the time can. I be in messy and a mentor like yeah. I mean we're. All forever constantly growing and I have my own mentors I've like 50 mentors right but it's the same thing like I've taught my mentees and mentors. You every my teas and mentors and I'd love to hear. Some of like your experiences with your mentees yeah so. I have the joy of because I'm in this career space a-and. Because we actually have a coaching program stepping in a better Adi is actually a chance for me to kind of let the coach II and the veteran team in ta guide. What they need in that moment versus a more prescriptive like. You know this is kind of how. You know what we need start with and how. We need to do.
This call so. I always started just by asking you know what is it. That you need. What what are. You looking for today. What if the success look like. You know you walk away with. What does that mean. This wasn't worth your time and it's really interesting because. I have people in every phase right. We have some mentees who show up and they're just on it they're like okay ma'am. This is my profile. This is my target. This is a companies I'm looking for this in and you're like wow you've done work around. This and those I get to kind of sounds like putting icing on the cake with those people right. You get to kind of top. That off and be like switch. This change. This do this a little. This way and then three weeks later. They call him they're like. I got a job and you're like. That was coming clearly.
You were gonna get a job and then. You have people who are really lost and they're like. I am leaving the service in the next couple months and I know. I have to start doing something around jobs and you're like okay cool let's let's dive in with purpose which is always. I start it's just the most important part of a job search so I've had. These interesting opportunities to really understand the lifecycle. I think the most powerful thing for me to be honest is is seeing people I'm gonna get emotional DM um seeing those who like. Me are lost and they don't know how to say. What they did. They don't know how to share with the world. What their worth and so there's this identity crisis. That we all are going through and when you're able to help. Someone articulate in civilian terms. What that actually looks like. What it means and they're able to walk away feeling like. They have something to offer the world still. You know it's when. We have on our capes we're saving the world that's super easy. I know how to say.
What I'm worth but when. You take that tape off and suddenly you're transitioning that's hard and losing your identity. You walk away from a job is not. Something civilians face usually. Some of them do. I don't want to like downplay but for us our community our tribe is so powerful. We walk away from. It we are walking away from a piece of identity so to be able to help people kind of put their finger on who have. You always been who will. You continue to be and how might. That look in the future and in the private sector easily the most powerful thing I do as a mentor it's so incredible. It well let's actually. You know what we can do is go into a couple of the questions. That were coming out from the chat already and we can kind of give our perspectives on the responses so. I know that yeah so Liz was asking suggestions for sustaining a mentoring relationship I'm thinking of how. I would respond to that do.
You have an idea close. You want to start first. You want to start. You know I think the most important thing in sustaining a mentor relationship is executing on what they told. I really don't. I don't have spare time in my life but I make time for my vet arathi mentorship it's always on my calendar. It is important but if. I like spend an hour of my day with. You I've poured myself into. You and all of our mentors are like. That that's not unique to me I just know that's how. I think and so. Somebody comes back to me and they're like hey. I didn't do. Any of the things. You said to do and I still have the same problem can. Another hour no. You can't actually have. Any more of my time. Because my advice hasn't changed but if. You go and you execute I've had. Some mentees be really awesome and they'll like execute and they'll. Even send me an email. That says okay. You said to do. This I did boom boom a boom did. It I did it about these are the results. This is what I got can. Another call and I'm literally like.
When can we talk. Because yeah um that's exciting right so as a mentee take action give feedback. That will create a relationship not just a one-way communication. It the only thing I would add to that is is follow. It like you follow up like the progress reports are actually really awesome like your mentor is doing this. Because they want to see. You succeed so. You share small things like I'm very uh. This is one of my weak points. I don't like sharing things with my mentors. Unless they're like a huge win otherwise I'm like no there's no point in telling them anything until there's a huge win not true like the little wins really matter. Because your mentor really like the only reward. They get out of this is see. You win and so. They want to see. That happen and when. You loop them in they get. More excited the other thing I would say about follow ups is I found. That in mentoring conversations a lot of mentors will say things like oh. I would introduce. You to this person and this person in this person and like Jean said mentors are super busy so it's not. That they're flaking out. They don't make. That introduction it's just. They need you to make. It very easy for them to take action so. Someone like. I would say. Any conversation. You have especially during the job search process. You meet someone they get excited about you and they say hey. I want to help. You I'm gonna introduce.
You to these people follow up immediately afterwards with an email. That just says hey I'm so happy. You offer to introduce. Me to these these five people here's an email. That you can forward to them to introduce. Me to them right Lee is so insanely easy. If your mentors to execute otherwise it's around things like. I upgrade an instruction email and it's gonna take. Me 30 minutes and I'll just do. It next Friday and then. It never happens right yeah yeah yeah. I know that's huge. If you're gonna. If you're getting an introduction from. Someone that's awesome to give them what to send the other thing about that is you get to write. That narrative so maybe your mentor doesn't remember. Everything about the conversation but if. You write that narrative and give it to them and say hey. This is a suggested paragraph. That might help right. They don't have to use. It yeah but like I'm gonna copy and paste. That thing I'm not gonna be creative. I don't have to be yeah that's awesome exactly so the other one I've noticed Anna was asking about how to seek military spouse employment challenge Mentors.
That one's fairly easy just. You log into the maratti there's a badge. That says military spouse. You click on that filter. It will filter out every single military spouse on our platform for you to book as a mentor so. That fairly self-explanatory and a couple other things so. I think Stacy was saying looking for guidance on how to build your brand and possibly start your own business very exciting Jean. You can definitely speak to that that's what exactly. You did and that's what you do yeah yeah yeah. I mean so a couple of just resources there's actually a really great book by Anita Citroen it's called your next mission it's for the service member but I loved. It it's personal branding as you're leaving the service so it's a personal branding guide at its base and personal branding is huge it's a really cool workbook to work through so massively like recommend. That and then really figure out who you are who is it you want to put out there and then begin having conversations with people. You can have a ton of conversations with entrepreneur mentors on better Adi so. It may be that you get on the phone with. Another you know business owner or someone who has said. I want to talk about entrepreneurship and you say listen.
This is my idea. This is what I'm thinking this is the brand. That I want to build. What are your thoughts. What is your feedback um. One thing I would say always have. Some specific questions for your mentor there there have been a couple awkward mentee conversations. Where they're like well so I'm here and I'm like oh cool. What are you here for so so think about looking at the mentee or the mentor and saying what can. This person really share with. Me what do they do well and so. One question might be for example to me Stacy. You might hey Jean I've noticed. That you've managed to get on a lot of podcasts a lot of people have invited. You on to the show. How did that and how do. You keep your brand consistent across podcasts interviews right so that'd be great question ask. Me and then. We would talk forever. Because I never shut up and so. You just want to think about what are the elements. You need help on and then it's almost like. You get to crowdsource. That you get to go out to these people who've been successful always understand. That every mentor has their point of view and so not.
Everything that works for everyone is gonna be perfect for you Diana and I had. This conversation. I was first her mentee and I literally said to her I love. That advice I'm not gonna follow. It at all I appreciate. It and and that honesty. I think she kind of respected the fact. That it was like okay um two weeks later. I called her and I was like. You were right I'm listening to you but but just keep in mind. That you're going this is your opportunity to glean information from. Everyone so. I would say Stacy start booking with entrepreneur mentors and with other successful CEOs who've made a business and book with Diana for sure. Because she's got her act together on that ha ha ha that's so that's really great and also. I think you the question around like. You start a conversation. You don't know. Where you're headed it's like reading a book great mentors are like folks except for a live conversation version so reading a book and so. I always like asking even. Where I'm taking the conversation as a mentee or a mentor for someone's life story. Because there's so much that's not on their profile and if. You start here.
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